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I can't tell. Maximum bolt size could be 1/4 20. Or m6. Bicycle chain?
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Air Lift Turbine Generator
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For any of this "Proell effect" / Vuilleumier heat changes, stuff to even be theoretically possible, conventional kinetic theory needs to go out the window.
A cylinder of gas could not possibly "transmit" heat or pressure or anything else 1 billion billion billion quintillion times beyond the maximum "mean free path" instantaneously to have any effect at all from one end of the cylinder to the other.
Random molecules flying in all directions in total chaos never interacting.
Lennard Jones potential modeling gives a much clearer picture of the gas molecules neatly assembled, "packed together" in an orderly crystal like pattern, poised between attractive and repulsive forces.
Then the gas, heated and expanded in one end can transmit "pressure" to the other end instantaneously in the manner of a Newton's Cradle.
A cylinder of gas could not possibly "transmit" heat or pressure or anything else 1 billion billion billion quintillion times beyond the maximum "mean free path" instantaneously to have any effect at all from one end of the cylinder to the other.
Random molecules flying in all directions in total chaos never interacting.
Lennard Jones potential modeling gives a much clearer picture of the gas molecules neatly assembled, "packed together" in an orderly crystal like pattern, poised between attractive and repulsive forces.
Then the gas, heated and expanded in one end can transmit "pressure" to the other end instantaneously in the manner of a Newton's Cradle.
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Newtons cradle is a kinetic model, it relies on bounce, elastic collision. Furthermore it relies on the restoring force getting larger as their separations gets bigger. Very unlike gas molecules.
Gas molecules act more like a group pool balls in space. They bounce off each other and the walls. Hit one, it will bounce off another and so on transferring that signal to the distant walls. No forces needed just bounce. Remove the walls and they will head away forever with higher speeds than escape velocity.
Slow them down enough and gravity will stick them together. Hit one and all will speed up in all directions. Sticking will be at a very low speed/temperature, exactly the way helium, hydrogen, and an ideal gas act. Helium and hydrogen have additional weak attractive forces, so their sticking temperature is above zero Kelvin, but close.
Ideal gasses will stick slightly above zero as well, but very close. That temperature could be calculated by the total mass and escape velocity translated to temperature. For two ideal gas particles my guess would be well below one Kelvin.
I do not have any problems with the Lennard Jones potential modeling when gasses are near the boiling temperature, or in solids, where its effects are dominant. But it is all but useless in temperatures above the critical temperature and below the critical pressure or density.. It is much simpler to use the ideal gas law kinetic model. Even the Van der Wahl's real gas formula is best left to the lower temperatures and higher densities. That is something that probably will take some time for future scientists to incorporate. Maybe someone has already done it. Using it for ideal gas conditions is like calculating how much pressure an Amazon butterfly wing beat effects the weather in Chicago.
I do not see that a search for a Maxwell's Demon or the search for a benefit from the the Proell effect to be anything more than a red herrings. Similar to any attempts to use magnetic hysteresis or mechanical friction to produce better efficiency, other than making them as low as possible.
The effects that are poorly understood or new will always be used by scammers to promote their scams. Beware.
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Newtons cradle is a kinetic model, it relies on bounce, elastic collision. Furthermore it relies on the restoring force getting larger as their separations gets bigger. Very unlike gas molecules.
Gas molecules act more like a group pool balls in space. They bounce off each other and the walls. Hit one, it will bounce off another and so on transferring that signal to the distant walls. No forces needed just bounce. Remove the walls and they will head away forever with higher speeds than escape velocity.
Slow them down enough and gravity will stick them together. Hit one and all will speed up in all directions. Sticking will be at a very low speed/temperature, exactly the way helium, hydrogen, and an ideal gas act. Helium and hydrogen have additional weak attractive forces, so their sticking temperature is above zero Kelvin, but close.
Ideal gasses will stick slightly above zero as well, but very close. That temperature could be calculated by the total mass and escape velocity translated to temperature. For two ideal gas particles my guess would be well below one Kelvin.
I do not have any problems with the Lennard Jones potential modeling when gasses are near the boiling temperature, or in solids, where its effects are dominant. But it is all but useless in temperatures above the critical temperature and below the critical pressure or density.. It is much simpler to use the ideal gas law kinetic model. Even the Van der Wahl's real gas formula is best left to the lower temperatures and higher densities. That is something that probably will take some time for future scientists to incorporate. Maybe someone has already done it. Using it for ideal gas conditions is like calculating how much pressure an Amazon butterfly wing beat effects the weather in Chicago.
I do not see that a search for a Maxwell's Demon or the search for a benefit from the the Proell effect to be anything more than a red herrings. Similar to any attempts to use magnetic hysteresis or mechanical friction to produce better efficiency, other than making them as low as possible.
The effects that are poorly understood or new will always be used by scammers to promote their scams. Beware.
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Very unlike your erroneous, obsolete, outdated, unworkable and far far from reality idea about gas molecules that you cling to although unproductive in terms of accurate modeling of known gas behavior.
In your imagination.Gas molecules act more like a group pool balls in space. They bounce off each other and the walls. Hit one, it will bounce off another and so on transferring that signal to the distant walls. No forces needed just bounce.
Pool balls scatter randomly in all directions and such a model would be completely incapable of transmitting a sustained pressure across any significant distance.
Again, in your imagination. In reality at any distance at all the repulsive force drops away and the attractive forces becomes dominant.Remove the walls and they will head away forever with higher speeds than escape velocity.
At normal atmospheric pressure air molecules are basically stationary, not going anywhere. Packed together like a box of marbles, stacked almost like a crystal lattice with very little "wiggle room".
https://youtu.be/P2Vw9CWD8YM
No such thing as an "ideal gas" in reality....
Ideal gasses will stick slightly above zero...
Guess all you want, it's your fictional, imaginary world. I'm more interested in actual REAL gas behavior....
For two ideal gas particles my guess would be well below one Kelvin.
You're a loser and an ass hole stuck in your obsolete 1820's obsolete science.I do not have any problems with the Lennard Jones potential modeling when gasses are near the boiling temperature, or in solids, where its effects are dominant. But it is all but useless in temperatures above the critical temperature and below the critical pressure or density.. It is much simpler to use the ideal gas law kinetic model. Even the Van der Wahl's real gas formula is best left to the lower temperatures and higher densities. That is something that probably will take some time for future scientists to incorporate. Maybe someone has already done it. Using it for ideal gas conditions is like calculating how much pressure an Amazon butterfly wing beat effects the weather in Chicago.
I do not see that a search for a Maxwell's Demon or the search for a benefit from the the Proell effect to be anything more than a red herrings. Similar to any attempts to use magnetic hysteresis or mechanical friction to produce better efficiency, other than making them as low as possible.
The effects that are poorly understood or new will always be used by scammers to promote their scams. Beware.
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Sorry but the world is moving forward and leaving you behind.
Too bad you and others like you are incapable of learning or understanding anything more advanced than the "ideal gas law" and kinetic theory of gas behavior.
Your idiocy is nothing but a nuisance and an impediment to progress by others with more sanity, intelligence and clarity of insight into the workings of nature.
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Give it a rest. Your personal opinions are meaningless. Mathematics/science has proven far superior to anyone's wild guessing. Especially yours. You have misrepresented all of classical theory. And now erroneously babbling alone in some sort of narcissistic rant failing to learn anything. You even fail to learn how power, torque, and RPM or intertwined.
Modeling a gas as a solid is so erroneous and ancient it makes dust look new.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dAcHfymgh4Y
Good luck denying the science that allowed the right brothers to fly, took us to the moon, computers, bridges, steam trains, prediction of weather, Stirling engines, electric motors, and is continuing to be taught in school, as well as challenged by thousands of ignoramuses like you until they learn how it really works. Please do some of the experiments that are presented in college to demonstrate to students of what is what. The experiments. Learn why old doesn't equate to wrong.
Learn why assumption and intuition leads to scams. Learn why science/mathematics is the only defense. Your dogma here is your own worst enemy.
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Give it a rest. Your personal opinions are meaningless. Mathematics/science has proven far superior to anyone's wild guessing. Especially yours. You have misrepresented all of classical theory. And now erroneously babbling alone in some sort of narcissistic rant failing to learn anything. You even fail to learn how power, torque, and RPM or intertwined.
Modeling a gas as a solid is so erroneous and ancient it makes dust look new.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dAcHfymgh4Y
Good luck denying the science that allowed the right brothers to fly, took us to the moon, computers, bridges, steam trains, prediction of weather, Stirling engines, electric motors, and is continuing to be taught in school, as well as challenged by thousands of ignoramuses like you until they learn how it really works. Please do some of the experiments that are presented in college to demonstrate to students of what is what. The experiments. Learn why old doesn't equate to wrong.
Learn why assumption and intuition leads to scams. Learn why science/mathematics is the only defense. Your dogma here is your own worst enemy.
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Cursing and personal attacks are scientifically cast outs. They are fallacious. They are just part of why you are, your own worst enemy. Very damaging to your reputation. Puny and laughable at best. Mild cursing from a professional is far superior to your attempt at being crass or vile here.
Watch the movie: The Brothers O'Toole. :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brothers_O%27Toole
Both brothers win a contest. One for professional cursing.
That way you can at least learn how to really curse. And other useless human traits.
Until then you will continue to be a very funny duck quacking: quackery and SCAM (Scientifically Crap And Meaningless).
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Cursing and personal attacks are scientifically cast outs. They are fallacious. They are just part of why you are, your own worst enemy. Very damaging to your reputation. Puny and laughable at best. Mild cursing from a professional is far superior to your attempt at being crass or vile here.
Watch the movie: The Brothers O'Toole. :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brothers_O%27Toole
Both brothers win a contest. One for professional cursing.
That way you can at least learn how to really curse. And other useless human traits.
Until then you will continue to be a very funny duck quacking: quackery and SCAM (Scientifically Crap And Meaningless).
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This is kinetic theory modeling of a gas
https://youtu.be/robEY-idcLU
That image of gas particles bouncing around in the container like billiard balls is not realistic.
This is the much more realistic modeling of how REAL gas particles ACTUALLY behave using Lennard-Jones-potential modeling:
https://youtu.be/MGTzTvG_OZw
By all accounts, according to numerous reputable references, Lennard Jones potential modeling is the most accurate method of modeling real gas behavior.
https://youtu.be/robEY-idcLU
That image of gas particles bouncing around in the container like billiard balls is not realistic.
This is the much more realistic modeling of how REAL gas particles ACTUALLY behave using Lennard-Jones-potential modeling:
https://youtu.be/MGTzTvG_OZw
By all accounts, according to numerous reputable references, Lennard Jones potential modeling is the most accurate method of modeling real gas behavior.
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The significance of this is quite far reaching in terms of heat engine and heat pump design. What kind of heat manipulations are possible and by what methods.
A "kinetic theory" model implies that the temperature of any given volume of gas will tend to be uniform throughout as all the molecules are freely zipping around from one side or one end of the container at tremendous speeds, completely mixing and tending towards uniformity.
The reality is that maintaining heat separation via a displacer and/or regenerator is actually not difficult at all and hot and cold "zones" can be rather easily generated, maintained and a ∆T effectively increased over time within a volume without mixing between hot and cold layers, sides of zones.
This is something I've been demonstrating experimentally for years already.
This is an experimental demonstration of the so-called "Proell effect". The temperature of the cold side of the engine being brought down below the surrounding ambient temperature.
A "kinetic theory" model implies that the temperature of any given volume of gas will tend to be uniform throughout as all the molecules are freely zipping around from one side or one end of the container at tremendous speeds, completely mixing and tending towards uniformity.
The reality is that maintaining heat separation via a displacer and/or regenerator is actually not difficult at all and hot and cold "zones" can be rather easily generated, maintained and a ∆T effectively increased over time within a volume without mixing between hot and cold layers, sides of zones.
This is something I've been demonstrating experimentally for years already.
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Yes. Your poorly instrumented, non calibrated, and anecdotal engine tinkering, has produced an unexplained temperature anomaly at zero measured output power. Your refusal to measure the power, or indicator diagrams is indefensible from all other scams. Several people here were interested in repeating some of your tinkering. We heard little if any from them. You have a long way to go, to prove any validity at all, let alone the big Earth shattering Nobel Prize worthy SCAM, you soapbox here and many other places.
Lenard-Jones modeling works best at liquid, and close to liquid, temperatures. Above the critical temperatures, and below critical pressures, there is negligible difference between it and kinetic modeling. That is why kinetic theory has stood the test of time. Kinetic theory with added size, called mean free path, does not have molecules bouncing end to end off the walls. Any real natural mixing is modeled accurately. It is not the same as liquid modeling.
Quit trying to show us a Lenard-Jones simulations that are near liquefaction, pretending it is an accurate depiction of a gas above the critical temperature, and below the critical pressure. They are not equivalent. The two would look very similar at identical higher temperatures and lower densities.
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Yes. Your poorly instrumented, non calibrated, and anecdotal engine tinkering, has produced an unexplained temperature anomaly at zero measured output power. Your refusal to measure the power, or indicator diagrams is indefensible from all other scams. Several people here were interested in repeating some of your tinkering. We heard little if any from them. You have a long way to go, to prove any validity at all, let alone the big Earth shattering Nobel Prize worthy SCAM, you soapbox here and many other places.
Lenard-Jones modeling works best at liquid, and close to liquid, temperatures. Above the critical temperatures, and below critical pressures, there is negligible difference between it and kinetic modeling. That is why kinetic theory has stood the test of time. Kinetic theory with added size, called mean free path, does not have molecules bouncing end to end off the walls. Any real natural mixing is modeled accurately. It is not the same as liquid modeling.
Quit trying to show us a Lenard-Jones simulations that are near liquefaction, pretending it is an accurate depiction of a gas above the critical temperature, and below the critical pressure. They are not equivalent. The two would look very similar at identical higher temperatures and lower densities.
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Get lost "fool" you're a throwback. You're obsolete 1820's Carnot limit BS has long long ago been proven fallacious.
Unfortunately our antiquated schooling system tends to perpetuate such nonsensical stagnant fallacies from professor to student, generation after generation, whereas the no-nonsense commercial sectors has to try to move forward in spite of the skepticism, naysaying and outright slander from the "scientific" community that has itself made little progress in this area since the 1800's
Tesla had it right. Carnot, Kelvin and the lot had it wrong. The "Carnot Limit" needs to be excised like the cancer that it is
Unfortunately our antiquated schooling system tends to perpetuate such nonsensical stagnant fallacies from professor to student, generation after generation, whereas the no-nonsense commercial sectors has to try to move forward in spite of the skepticism, naysaying and outright slander from the "scientific" community that has itself made little progress in this area since the 1800's
Tesla had it right. Carnot, Kelvin and the lot had it wrong. The "Carnot Limit" needs to be excised like the cancer that it is
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You are living in a fantasy world of unrealized fictitious dream machines. Your soapboxing and cursing here is nothing more than SCAM. (Scientifically Crappy And Meaningless).
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You are living in a fantasy world of unrealized fictitious dream machines. Your soapboxing and cursing here is nothing more than SCAM. (Scientifically Crappy And Meaningless).
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You are obviously the one living in a teetering house of cards or you wouldn't feel the need to spend years attack someone on a hobby model engine forum over some informal kitchen table experiments.
As a self appointed defender of obsolete science I would think you would have bigger fish to fry.
If you were actually secure in your opinions you would look at my experiments, laugh and be on your way. Instead you seem to have devoted you life to this crusade of viciously attacking and maligning a curious hobbyist and his model engine experiments.
What a loser.
Get a life.
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You are the one soapboxing free energy and Carnot bashing. Your fallacious attempts to put forth a misguided fantasy as fact, when it is clearly not, is what I easily counter. It is your blind anger and denial that has kept this going. You are welcome to spout all this crap at Mooker, but that is too boring, because everyone ignores you there.
Ignorance by a bunch of free energy zealots sure is a telltale sign of your ineffectiveness.
I do laugh at you. More so when you get flustered.
If you continue, here, spouting your SCAM, I will continue putting forth science as to how it really is. It is your failure to see that drives you. I'm kind and nice. I am very sorry if you have offended yourself.
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You are the one soapboxing free energy and Carnot bashing. Your fallacious attempts to put forth a misguided fantasy as fact, when it is clearly not, is what I easily counter. It is your blind anger and denial that has kept this going. You are welcome to spout all this crap at Mooker, but that is too boring, because everyone ignores you there.
Ignorance by a bunch of free energy zealots sure is a telltale sign of your ineffectiveness.
I do laugh at you. More so when you get flustered.
If you continue, here, spouting your SCAM, I will continue putting forth science as to how it really is. It is your failure to see that drives you. I'm kind and nice. I am very sorry if you have offended yourself.
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I'm just here posting the results of my research and experiments, which the late owner and moderator of the forum told me I was more than welcome to do.
You on the other hand were slated for banning due to your disrespect for him and multiple forum rule violations.
I'm very happy that you are banned from Mooker and I'm able to post there unmolested by ignorant morons such as you have proven to be.
I only continue posting here out of necessity because you keep dredging up my threads for your baseless, unjust ridicule and slander, misrepresentations, and derailment, otherwise they would mostly all be long forgotten.
You're a selfish prick who has made this forum virtually unusable for everyone else with your lunatic crusade to discredit clear experimental results that anyone can easily duplicate and see the results for themselves, people don't need you to moderate their perception of reality to confirm with your prejudices.
Too bad for you your whole life revolves around obsolete theory that doesn't hold up under any kind of simple experiment. Too bad your life has no meaning without your so-called "Carnot Limit".
In spite of your flailing protests, the world is moving forward.
You on the other hand were slated for banning due to your disrespect for him and multiple forum rule violations.
I'm very happy that you are banned from Mooker and I'm able to post there unmolested by ignorant morons such as you have proven to be.
I only continue posting here out of necessity because you keep dredging up my threads for your baseless, unjust ridicule and slander, misrepresentations, and derailment, otherwise they would mostly all be long forgotten.
You're a selfish prick who has made this forum virtually unusable for everyone else with your lunatic crusade to discredit clear experimental results that anyone can easily duplicate and see the results for themselves, people don't need you to moderate their perception of reality to confirm with your prejudices.
Too bad for you your whole life revolves around obsolete theory that doesn't hold up under any kind of simple experiment. Too bad your life has no meaning without your so-called "Carnot Limit".
In spite of your flailing protests, the world is moving forward.
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Don't hold back. Tell us what you really think.
For the record, I need to join Mooker to be band from it. Hasn't happened. It's too bad no one is correcting you there so you have nothing there to whine about. No fun is it?
I'm still waiting for the world to move forward. How is your buoyancy power plant coming along?
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Don't hold back. Tell us what you really think.
For the record, I need to join Mooker to be band from it. Hasn't happened. It's too bad no one is correcting you there so you have nothing there to whine about. No fun is it?
I'm still waiting for the world to move forward. How is your buoyancy power plant coming along?
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