Stirling Engine & Heat Pump

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Re: Stirling Engine & Heat Pump

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Fool wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:45 pm .

Not the same distance, nor speed. Gas is way less dense. It is just receding from the remaining gas and accelerating the leading/escaping gas. Doing work.

The force inside a cylinder is pressure times area. Pressure is P=∆TCvM. That equation doesn't have Watts,axel in it anywhere.
Typical jumble of incoherent nonsense.

Try W = P * ΔV

The resistance from a load/generator and increased heat input to compensate for the load increases pressure P, so increases work output P * ΔV.

What is your game? Your feigned ignorance/stupidity is pretty obviously just calculated lies.
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Re: Stirling Engine & Heat Pump

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"P=∆TCvM"

Should have been:
PV=MRT
And:
P1•V1/T1=P2•V2/T2
And:
Q=∆TCvM
None of those have 'Watts output to an axle'. Watts output to an axle could be in 'n'. All of them respond to adiabatic with a piston, no further connection needed.

n=W/Qb
W could be Watts output or Watts thermodynamic work, moving a free piston faster. Watts overall output after generator, transmission line motor lights.

Or:

n(max) = (Th-Tc)/Th

No, Th-Tc does not equal Work out.

You are confusing thermodynamic work with output work and how work output changes with input. Yes work output changes when a load is put on and the throttle is opened and rpms change. But ∆V per stroke doesn't change. Adiabatic temperature change only responds to volume change if the mass in the cylinder is constant.

I can see where you are misguided on this natural phenomenon. The gas doesn't care what happens on the shaft. It only cares what happens to the movable walk/piston.

Your, losing the load so the engines over heat, is a different phenomenon. Try to understand the difference.

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Fool wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 7:03 am .

"P=∆TCvM"

Should have been:
PV=MRT
And:
P1•V1/T1=P2•V2/T2
And:
Q=∆TCvM
None of those have 'Watts output to an axle'. Watts output to an axle could be in 'n'. All of them respond to adiabatic with a piston, no further connection needed.

n=W/Qb
W could be Watts output or Watts thermodynamic work, moving a free piston faster. Watts overall output after generator, transmission line motor lights.

Or:

n(max) = (Th-Tc)/Th

No, Th-Tc does not equal Work out.

You are confusing thermodynamic work with output work and how work output changes with input. Yes work output changes when a load is put on and the throttle is opened and rpms change. But ∆V per stroke doesn't change. Adiabatic temperature change only responds to volume change if the mass in the cylinder is constant.

I can see where you are misguided on this natural phenomenon. The gas doesn't care what happens on the shaft. It only cares what happens to the movable walk/piston.

Your, losing the load so the engines over heat, is a different phenomenon. Try to understand the difference.

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You're a moron. Until you understand that, you won't understand anything, you're too full of yourself and your obsolete 1820's half baked incomplete theories to ever understand any new developments in science over the past century, never mind having any creative new ideas of your own.
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Unacceptable behavior.

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GuernseyPete wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:50 am If nobody can suggest a reason why this wouldn’t work, I’m going to go ahead and try it. The implications are too far reaching to ignore and I can’t think of a reason why it wouldn’t work. I also asked the same question on the “Just have a think” YouTube channel and, so far, nobody has responded. It will take me a while to build it with my limited engineering skills and equipment!
GuernseyPete, did you ever follow through with this project?
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KyleT73 wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:30 am Hi,
Currently on a hiatus between Uni, not much to do. Anyways, I was working on repairing my ice machine when I came up with the same idea as I realised heat pumps have a higher COP than input by a considerable margin (if built correctly).
I've spent a while thinking about it, I'm going to attempt this myself too. I find it disheartening that most forums say this violates thermodynamics when in reality all you are doing is 'stealing' the heat from a source, ...
KyleT73, same question,

Did you ever follow through with this project?
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Hmmm? They must have been unable to find a heat pump and engine pair with the COP and efficiency needed, at compatible temperatures.

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Fool wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:08 am .

Hmmm? They must have been unable to find a heat pump and engine pair with the COP and efficiency needed, at compatible temperatures.

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Hmmm... You must be an ass hole.

Offering more of your supposed "help" I see.
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Offering nothing but name call and cursing. Good luck with that.

Can you provide compatible units?

I was hoping.

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Fool wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:18 am .

Offering nothing but name call and cursing. Good luck with that.

Can you provide compatible units?

I was hoping.

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If you think you can just take a heat pump and a Stirling engine and put them together you're an idiot who has no practical knowledge of either.

Such a combination would have to have the components integrated, built from scratch. The evaporator and condenser designed to fit inside the engine etc.
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I'm still waiting for such a mythical contraption. Basically, you've just said, can't be done.

I'm still hoping. You are still failing to produce what you promise.

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Fool wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:20 am .

I'm still waiting for such a mythical contraption. Basically, you've just said, can't be done.

I'm still hoping. You are still failing to produce what you promise.

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No, I did not say "can't be done" at all, ass hole.

I said you can't just take a conventional heat pump unit and a Stirling engine and put them together. They would have to be completely integrated. Put together from the ground up using basic components, refrigeration tubing, etc. That needs to be shaped to fit into the engine. No point in trying to hack apart an evaporator unit that's already brazed together, that would be crazy. Much easier to start from scratch.

To think you can "find a heat pump and engine pair" and just put them together is both stupid and ignorant.
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This is telling:
During the development stage, Maynard said the company had been separately approached by an oil company and a wind company, who offered large amounts of money to buy the technology “without plans to use it.” He suspects that they were trying to “bury the project” to protect their own industries.

“That is not going to happen, and we have made sure that nobody controls this technology but us,” he said. “This is technology that should not be suppressed."
Conspiracy theory?

Good for them. The majority of these startups just cannot wait to sell out. They actually look forward to it.

Unfortunately the controlling power brokers are not inclined to take no for an answer.
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Re: Stirling Engine & Heat Pump

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Tommy wrote:No, I did not say "can't be done" at all, ass hole.

I said you can't just take a conventional heat pump unit and a Stirling engine and put them together. They would have to be completely integrated. Put together from the ground up using basic components, refrigeration tubing, etc. That needs to be shaped to fit into the engine. No point in trying to hack apart an evaporator unit that's already brazed together, that would be crazy. Much easier to start from scratch.
So you are saying, can't be done with existing basic units of heat engine and reversible heat engine/pump.

I'm still waiting for the mythical bult from "ground up" contraption. Do you have an ETA?

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Fool wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:21 am .
Tommy wrote:No, I did not say "can't be done" at all, ass hole.

I said you can't just take a conventional heat pump unit and a Stirling engine and put them together. They would have to be completely integrated. Put together from the ground up using basic components, refrigeration tubing, etc. That needs to be shaped to fit into the engine. No point in trying to hack apart an evaporator unit that's already brazed together, that would be crazy. Much easier to start from scratch.
So you are saying, can't be done with existing basic units of heat engine and reversible heat engine/pump.

I'm still waiting for the mythical bult from "ground up" contraption. Do you have an ETA?

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Looks like the "flooid" people beat me to it.

Along with dozens of other inventors going back a century or more.
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