Simple Nitinol heat engines

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Simple Nitinol heat engines

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I never had any of this Nitinol stuff to play with before, but now I've got quite a bit of it. Mostly relatively short sample wires of varying thickness and transition temperatures as well as one 10 foot length of thin wire.

I've always found most of the nitinol heat engine designs uninspiring. Loops of wire going round a pulley but not doing much of anything, or weird contraptions dunking themselves back and forth in tubs of water.

These things all basically operate in the same way a Stirling engine operates, but none I've seen really look like engines.

I guess there's no real reason any of them should, but they should at least have some kind of power takeoff to get some useable torque with a revolving crankshaft or something to hook a generator to.

Anyway, I've been working on a few designs. One in the style of a walking beam Stirling with a displacer pushing hot air over a Nitinol spring. Might work, but air doesn't really transfer heat very well to Nitinol wire from what I've seen. The response is much slower than when using hot water.

Direct flame from a candle or lighter works pretty well though.

So I came up with this single Nitinol wire heat engine:
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Probably self explanatory but if not, the wire is "trained" to bend into the U shape shown when heated.

When relaxed and cool, the flywheel could pull the wire out straight which would draw it into the heat of the flame.

Upon heating the wire would take the U shape, pulling itself out of the flame while simultaneously tugging on the flywheel.

The combination of cooling from work output and lack of heat would allow the nitinol to relax quickly so the momentum of the flywheel could straighten it out again, pulling it back over the flame in the process.

Nitinol is supposed to exert a force of something like 50 Tons per square inch. I don't know what that amounts to for just a 1 mm thick wire but should be something.

Basically instead of using heat to just expand air the heat or hot air is being used to expand or change the shape of a Nitinol wire.

The interesting thing about Nitinol is that you can tell it exactly HOW you want it to "expand" which opens up some interesting design possibilities.
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Here is a twist on the old wire loop engine, but running on a candle instead of a cup of hot water. I didn't know it could do that.

https://youtu.be/FXdtzYh_QQY

Seems to work quite well.

I don't care for the hypnotic flywheel though.
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Wow!

I've finally had some time to go through the various Nitinol samples.

All the generic "super elastic" samples have a transition temperature of 0°C which so far I haven't found particularly useful.

All the stuff with a low transition temperature, between 0° and 40° seemed a bit weak. Kind of difficult to get it cold enough to actually soften long enough to do anything much with.

When I got to the 80°C transition temperature stuff though, I think I nearly had a heart attack.

The transition temperature at 80°C is well above room temperature, but not so High above, so it cools very rapidly.

At room temperature the 80°C stuff is like a regular piece of soft wire that bends very easily and stays bent. You can crumple it up in a ball and it stays crumpled.

Some of the lower temperature stuff will partially straighten out from just handling from body heat.

Anyway, I crumpled up the 80° piece of Nitinol wire and tossed it into a bowl of hot water I had heated up in the microwave and it shot out of the bowl hitting the side of the microwave with a loud clank as it straightened itself. This happened so instantaneously it was quite a shock.

But it went immediately limp again.

I curled it into a spiral like a spring around my finger and tossed it back in the bowl and it shot right out of the microwave. I thought I saw it hit the cabinet on the other side of the kitchen and then hit the floor.

I tried to find it but couldn't. I thought it must have rolled under the stove or gone into a crack under the cabinet.

I pulled out the stove, took the toe kick off the cabinet, moved everything in the kitchen but it was nowhere to be found. I was stumped.
Well there was a lot of dust under the stove and my hands were dirty so I went to the kitchen sink to wash my hands.

The Nitinol wire was sticking half way out of the sink drain. Don't ask me how it got there, I was certain I had seen it hit the floor.

Anyway, I would advise wearing safety glasses at a minimum. I'm quite certain the wire, when it straightens so rapidly could easily puncture the skin or take out an eye.

I suppose the lower temperature stuff would probably respond similarly under different circumstances but I don't know.

The water I used for the 80°C sample was not quite boiling but probably close to it.

After I found the nitinol wire in the sink, I put it away for the night. I still feel a bit PTSD from the way that thing catapulted out of the microwave.

One other thing. I tried putting one of the samples in the microwave to heat it up to see if it would transition by warming in the microwave, but it lit up like a Christmas tree with sparks.

I also wrapped some around a big zinc plated nail and dropped it in hot water but it didn't do anything.

I'm not sure if the zinc "killed" the effect, or maybe the nail absorbed heat away from the wire, or the water had cooled off. Not really sure. It had worked in the same bowl of hot water a few seconds earlier.

Anyway I think I can safely say that I'm 100% sure that the 80°C stuff would work for the above illustrated engine. It responds very strongly to heat but cools down and goes limp in the open air immediately.

I'm not sure if there is anything higher temperature. The 80°C stuff was the highest temperature in the sample pack.
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Not sure how much to make of this but I just read that Nitinol "typically" transitions at around 80°C

To extend its range can involve altering its composition, so I'm thinking that perhaps the 80°C sample responds so strongly because it is actual Nitinol not doped with anything or altered by some unusual heat treatment or whatever gets done to it to change the "natural" transition temperature.

This is mostly speculation but, to me, the 80°C stuff seemed dramatically more responsive. Not almost, but actually scary. IMO could definitely hurt somebody. I was probably lucky it missed me when it came flying out of the microwave.
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in 2013, Kellogg’s Research Labs published that they had built a generator capable of harnessing the energy from the daily change in air temperature. In their report, KRL stated that their thermal efficiency was between 1 and 4 percent. This is absolutely horrible when comparing to cars, which run at roughly 25% efficiency, or the power plants that generate electricity to power the nation, which run at 43% efficiency. However, unlike those systems, the amount of heat energy discharged by the atmosphere on a daily basis is several orders of magnitude greater than all of the power generated by all power plants on earth, and it’s free. So, 1% of a very large number is still a very large number.
https://www.kelloggsresearchlabs.com/20 ... f-nitinol/

I can't help but wonder what kind of "efficiency" is represented by that "horrible" 1 to 4 percent efficiency.

The typical ∆T between day and night temperature would fall into that range for "Carnot efficiency".
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One thing I've learned the hard way, when purchasing Nitinol.

"Superelastic Nitinol" or by whatever name it's called, if an actual transition temperature is not provided it is pretty much guaranteed it is low temp 0°C and practically, or actually useless for any high temperature application.

Be sure to look for "shape memory" Nitinol and that is not any guarantee if an actual transition temperature is not mentioned.

Otherwise you will get 0°C "superelastic" stuff that will not transition at room temperature or above, and doesn't really seem to work using ice either.

Maybe it might work with dry ice if you are doing something with very low temperature.

Cheap rolls of "superelastic" Nitinol could not be used for the above illustrated engine using heat at room temperature.

I'm also sending for some double or two way Nitinol that can be trained to take one shape when hot and another when cold so it might not need a flywheel or spring to have it return.
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I'll be adding interesting videos about Nitinol to a new playlist:

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLp ... ArDNK5YCVI
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This is similar to what happened to me with the nitinol wire crumpled up and thrown into a bowl of hot water in the microwave.

https://youtu.be/lV-rfRyVYcM

Keep in mind, however, the video is in very slow slow motion.

My test sprang out of the bowl and flew across the room so fast it was really quite a shock.

This one is better, and more like it.

https://youtu.be/MuhwiPzlcCw

This one put a hole in the beaker! You wouldn't want that hitting skin or an eye.
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Several years ago I started this other thread:

Elastic Regenerator
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What I had in mind was to incorporate Nitinol into a regenerator of sorts that would change shape as it heated and cooled.

I was not thinking, however, about the heat that might be absorbed by the nitinol phase change process itself.

During a phase change much more heat can be absorbed or released, so theoretically, Nitinol used as a regenerator material could absorb and release much more heat than any regular material if the engine working fluid could operate above and below the transition phase change temperature of the nitinol.

A kind of "super" regenerator. Even if the nitinol did not actually move or change shape perceptibly,, but only change phase, stiffening and softening as hot and cold air passed back and forth through it

On the previous thread about an "elastic regenerator" I did not yet know, I don't think, that Nitinol is actually a phase change material and that it can change phase without necessarily moving at all.

Since I happen to have some on hand, I might try seeing if Nitinol can enhance the function of a regenerator as a kind of super heat absorbent (phase change) regenerator material.

Of course, the transition temperature would have to match the engines operating temperature.
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Well I just sent for a little bit more Nitinol to test as regenerator material

I got the thinnest stuff I could find available 0.3mm

And 3 different transition temperatures as close as I could get to between room temperature and ice, room temperature and boiling water and another between ice and boiling water.

They didn't have 50° transition temperature Nitinol though, so I got both 40° and 60°

Maybe try one or the other, see which works best and maybe also mixing them in alternating layers or something.

Since this is not for strength, I figured the thinnest wire possible would absorb and release heat the best, though that assumption could be wrong. But generally Nitinol does not respond quickly to changes in air temperature unless it is very thin.
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Just FYI;

Kellogs Research Labs:

https://www.kelloggsresearchlabs.com/

Is often cited as a good source or supplier of Nitinol, however, I've tried the contact form on the website, sent requests to the email, and also called the number.

I get no response from any of those contact methods. Calling the phone number on that website resulted in a recording that that number is "no longer in service".

I was about to order something from the website but it said; save time use PayPal, but there was no PayPal button.

There was a Google Pay button, but not having that app or whatever, or knowing what it is or how to use it I decided to attempt contact to ask: where is the PayPal button, or can I just use my debit or credit.

No email response, no contact form response, phone disconnected. Not sure what to make of the situation.

Does anyone know, has this company gone out of business? Maybe just haven't updated the website.

Some online reviews suggest the company has had financial difficulties.

From what the reviews suggest however, their Nitinol products were generally good quality.

Apparently Google Pay has gone by the boards recently as well?

https://tearsheet.co/payments/say-goodb ... oogle-pay/

Though, this was very recent and it looks like the app can still be downloaded. Maybe?

I haven't tried.

Curious what is going on with this company.

Clicking the address on the website produces this result:
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However, Google has listed my business as "permanently closed" before when it wasn't.
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On Google Earth that address appears to be in the middle of nowhere, across the street from an air force base
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Curious, and a little spooky.
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Out of curiosity, putting the name of the Air Force base, without quotes along with Nitinol turned up very few results but one looks interesting:

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA207409.pdf

A declassified document.

I haven't finished reading yet, but has to do with increasing the response of the wire by pre-stress and heat treatment, but what caught my attention was mention of the force from the wire they were using:
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241 MPa

Is MPa megapascals ?

If so that apparently converts to 34954 psi

Wouldn't that be like 15 Tons per square inch?

For a 0.25mm wire ?
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Yes. MPa means Mega Pascals.

ksi means Kilo pounds per square inch, 1000 pounds per square inch.

So your conversion is accurate.

"At room temperature, nitinol has an ultimate tensile strength of between 103 and 1,100 MPa."

"increasing the temperature of the nitinol ingot caused an increase in elongation (from 14.5% to 15.6%) and tensile strength (from 545 to 565 MPa "
For comparison:

"The tensile strength for structural steel is 400 megapascals (MPa) and for carbon steel is 841MPa."

So 15 tons per square inch of "muscle" force is believable.
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Yes, though comparing mere passive tensile strength to active "muscle force" is apples to oranges.

Tensile strength is how much force the metal can withstand before breaking when acted upon.

Nitinol is doing the acting not being acted on.

I use 15 ton hydraulic jacks fairly regularly doing renovations on old building...

To lift the entire building off the foundation, to change a support post or whatever.

That much force from a piece of wire and a glass of warm water is pretty extraordinary.
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